@genesis This is mostly aimed at you, but I figured our conversation might interest others and that we should move it off of the happy new year thread as it is mostly unrelated.
How long have you been breeding ducks? What kind of controls do you keep in place to monitor breeding?
How do you rear the young? Or are you going complete natural, just imprinting them with home and hoping for the best?
Also, do you keep any charts or records regarding the rats?
I’m all about research, and I’m hoping to benefit from the experience of others, I’ve got lots of learning that I’ve done but basically zero experience and I want to compile a series of useful guides for myself to reference in three months or so in order to temper my ADHD and keep me focused on what matters.
Generally, I binge learn and then get distracted by new projects, but I really want to stick with this one in the most methodical way I can.
Any other user’s input would be greatly appreciated as well, doesn’t matter what species you’ve bred, I am just want to learn general best practices.
Here is an early version of my technical manual for wasp breeding, it covers everything from environmental concerns and basic biology to safety protocols and nesting box designs.
How long have you been breeding ducks? What kind of controls do you keep in place to monitor breeding?
started during the second locdown, in the spring, so 2021 (second lockdown destroyed my plans to get black maglica pigs… changed the plans to ducks)
How do you rear the young? Or are you going complete natural, just imprinting them with home and hoping for the best?
I trow the eggs into the incubator (tried letting them hatch natural, but that causes always some kind of porblems with a momy duck attacking a daddy duck that wants to eat a baby duck… or compleatly ignoring the babys and tryin to hatch more instead…
Once they know where the food is, they come home. In the morning they go truh all neighbours gardens in search of slugs, then jump into the local stream and then come hunry home.
Problems only apear with smaller species i introduce for hybridisations. Because they find enough food in the wild ad therefore have not as much insetive to come back home…
(if any of your bollys will runaway and never come back, blame my ducks, because i told steve the storys how i tried to get them back)
Also, do you keep any charts or records regarding the rats?
No, however i contacted an diabetis researcher on silvester and if everything goes well, we can establish a domesticated strain of Arvicanthis niloticus because the wild type behaves like rats from hell! Zoos even stopped having them, because they couldn’t handle them and websites recomendin them as pet meantion that you should buy a metal glove for your own protection.
I’m all about research, and I’m hoping to benefit from the experience of others, I’ve got lots of learning that I’ve done but basically zero experience and I want to compile a series of useful guides for myself to reference in three months or so in order to temper my ADHD and keep me focused on what matters.
Maybe ask in the nootropics parts of the biohacking community for ADHD options, i mainly experimeted with lionsmane. Helpsa lot in reshaping the brain as well as improvin learning abillities,however like all powerfull tools, thins need to be considered.
Generally, I binge learn and then get distracted by new projects, but I really want to stick with this one in the most methodical way I can.
Same… however breeding is different. You can let the animals grow and wait, do othwer stuff in the meantime. And onnce breeding season starts you focus on the breedin colony.
Oh ad about hormoes, experimented with those as well. I would recomend givin a few worker wasps some maca powder as food. Had a human test subject who was official infertile, it made him into a dad within 1 month + 9. Also gave it to my one year old smew, they should get fertile at 2 years. The hybrids i got say it worked (before he released himselfinto the wild -.- )
Something else you can test, young meat of animals in different growing stages (i would recomend baby cow as well as adulecent cow, since you can just buy their meat) and give that the wasps. Never frozen or heated above 40°C because that destroys the hormones. However no idea if mammalian hormones work on insects….?
Here is an early version of my technical manual for wasp breeding, it covers everything from environmental concerns and basic biology to safety protocols and nesting box designs.
…uhm… it needs insuline for growth? Made many experiments with an alternative source of insuline like growth factor 1 (IGF1)
Get some raw liver of a young animal (i used calf or lamp liver) – other youngmeat should work as well, since hormones float around in thw whole body. But the liver got the highest concentration. Importand, never freeze or heat above 40°C , that destroys it. You also get the compleate mamalian hormone coctail. Since you give it to insects, we don’t need to worry about the side effects. Oral administration works suprisingly well.
Also try some ashwaghanda, it induces IGF1 production in humans, no iea what it does in insects, but it is cheap and worth a try. specially since you will have more than enough larvea!
Oh and if i remember corect, bees become agressive when they smell bananas. Because it mimics a hormonal attack signal. Trying different smells could also help, no idea if there is one that trigers queen development, however just try a few different smells that are cheap?
I might be able to select for certain species and life stages of insects for feed, choosing one that are known to produce large amounts of hormone. It turns out that most of the insects of the world share similar hormonal setups, and I hadn’t considered naturally sourced hormones so far, so thank you for that!
@foggygoofball most don’t consider natural hormonal sources. How i started that idea, asked experts. They all said oral IGF1 won’t work. None had sources, just “trust me bro” on an expert level. Found a single study of genetically altered lettuce feed to rads producing IGF1, there it worked oraly.
Next logical step, search where IGF1 expression is the highest (crossreferencing igf1 tissue expression in rats and mice with growth charts of cattle) showed me i need calf liver. Found no data on the way IGF1 can be destroyed. But since IGF1 is litteraly named insulin like growth factor 1, i hust copy pasted the insulin temperature maximums and minimums.
And afterwards i ate 2,5kg raw calf liver (never frozen or heated above 40°C) in one weekend out of spite.
Suffered around one month acromegaly symptoms and the rest of the time was just figuring out dosages, recepies and managing side effects. And since human savety was shown, i could proceed to animals and feed my fancy rats (previous rat species i had) raw calf liver if a runt showed up in a litter of 12+ and get them to normal size within 1-2 days. Previously uncurable. Told that an other breeder with dwarf rats. Now she can have genetical dwarf females with normal size. Great for breeding purposes.
(be warned, if you got cancer, you speedrun it, because cancer grows the fastest, therefore don’t do this kids, seriously! Don’t coppy the crazy german!)
And afterwards i ate 2,5kg raw calf liver (never frozen or heated above 40°C) in one weekend out of spite.
Would it being frozen actually have any meaningful effect?
@robowaifu-technician yes, freezing destroys the IGF1 and similar hormones. IGF1 is insulin like growth factor 1 and therefore the storage protocols of insulin can be used.
@genesis I was afraid of that. Your posts made me want to do some experimenting with raw organs, but my work schedule combined with open hours of nearby butchers makes going every day an impossibility, so preserving enough to last a week without it filling my home with a putrid smell is out of my reach unless I can find a way to desiccate the organ meat to the point it’s a mummified leathery jerky. (and that might make it taste a lot better if seasoned right)
@robowaifu-technician every day? Dude that’s way to strong! Once a month 500g is a high dosage!
If you consider this, we need to talk first. Because half of my experiments where managing side effects.
And the biggest risk is speedrunning cancer. Harmelss if you got no cancer but if you got some it grows fast!
Gave my dog some raw young meat (yeah impossible to eat a pund calf liver without your dog compleatly pestering you for scraps …)
She had a dormant tumor that was just a small lump of cells, it grew fast after that meal. And i mean fast. She survived because it was possible to remove. But it showed how big the risks are.
the effects are enorm and impressive, but defendly recless.
Talked with a former classmate who works in cancer research, he freaked out when i said him what i did. So did steve when i told him.
I have no ethical breaks, therefore i have no problem telling you how it is done. But be warned, the cancer speedrun is a real risk. (However the muscle growth is impressive as well)
Also about preserving, just ask thw butcher at what day they get fresh calf/lamp and buy on that day. Meat lasts around a weak in a fridge (vacum sealed is better, most butchers can do that) and organs last less. Colder fridge lasts longer.
And blood transports hormones in the whole body anyway, meaning all hormones are everywhere. The concentration is just different. Oh and the age and gender influence more.
@genesis Well, you said you “ate 2,5kg raw calf liver (never frozen or heated above 40°C) in one weekend out of spite.” so I figured I’d do a similar test. The only problem is I don’t like cold meat, not even cold cut sandwiches. But throwing it in a microwave is out of the question & leaving it to warm to room temperature, I’m sure it would still be gross if it’s really moist. Drying it into jerky, as long as it can be done without heating too much, would solve both of these problems for me.
Colder fridge lasts longer.And when I asked if being frozen would be an issue I was having problems with my fridge keeping a constant temperature & often ended up with half-frozen eggs and exploding cans of soda.
@robowaifu-technician i made many follow up experiments.
And i did some wrong asumptions. For example i assumed the highest concentration is in the liver since that produces the hormones. However i forgot the bloodstream. The hormones are everywhere. Meaning you can just buy any young meat, calf or lamp is my recomendation.
500g once a month is a high dosage, 2,5kg caused me acromegaly symptoms for around a month, way to high.
And the temperatures that destroy the IGF1 are freezing and 40°C. Storing raw meat at 2-6°C is good. If it is caccum sealed you got a few days longer as well. As soon as you assume the meat could be not as good anymore, just fry it in a pan and eat it normaly
The different experiments/protocols:
– giving it mammals in their youth makes them bigger. Made this by accident with my cat and on purpose with my fancyrat runts. As well as a dwarf breeder with her dwarf females to get normal sized females for breeding
– giving it to ducks makes them grow faster and love you more but does not impact their overall final size, since their growth system has a different feedback loop than ours
– giving it your begging dog witha dormant tunor gives you an expensive visit at the vet, it exploded in size
– taking 500g fresh raw calf/lamp on a training day let’s your muscles grow faster. Take taurine to prevent the pain that occurs 1-3 days after training and glutamine against the pain 9-14 days after the training. Also have magnesium ready!
– taking 500g and having a hard genital for around an hour after eating can cause penile growth. This happens around day 10 after consumption. Growth is linear, meaning each cycle you can add the same amount of millimeters. Take flush causing B3 as well, to induce blood vessle growth at least every 4 cycles. (this is probably caused by an interaction with a second, unknown hormone also present in the young animal).
– long therm usage can cause becoming more emotional and empathical, to counteract that use a few spoons ashwaghanda (it also let’s muscles grow, take it a day before training)
– training and long therm usage can cause Bubble Gut, to prevent that do the exercise stomach vaccum.
And finnaly, to improve the taste, make some german Mett. Slize the calf/lamp in tiny pieces, add pepper and salt and a onion. Imagesearch Mettigel for inspiration.
I needed a half year to figure out that i could add spices to the raw liver and 2 years to figure out that i could just take the meat instead… what i lack in intelligence, i make up in stubborness…
Those sound like very interesting experiments, though I can’t help but conclude the takeaway here for most people is “cook your meat well to avoid a lot of complicated problems”.
@johnologue depends, there are interesting studies on ausgralian tribes that show diatance to modern food increases problems with teeth. Similar things are said by elders of african tribes that ate raw meat in their youth and see now everybody cook their meat.
However those mostly ate adult animals, those have a different hormonal profile than young animals.
Like everything in biology, it is a tradeoff and you have to decide what you are willing to trade off. However don’t eat young raw meat every day! That is just stupid.
Also there is a tendency for men and women to like plant/meat more. Sure there are outlyers, but on every BBQ i visited, the women ate more salad and the men more meat. If raw meat is a natural doping form, it would have made sense that those who need more muscles craved meat more.
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I kinda forgot about this forum.
However i forgot the bloodstream. The hormones are everywhere. Meaning you can just buy any young meat, calf or lamp is my recomendation.I guess this is both good news and bad news. I intended on testing liver first, but suspected that consuming organ meat might be a good method of getting more of a specific hormone normally produced by that organ. On the plus side, I guess I won’t need to eat testicles to increase testosterone, or prostates to see if relaxin really can reopen growth plates in bones.
– giving it your begging dog witha dormant tunor gives you an expensive visit at the vet, it exploded in sizeI’m sorry to hear that. 🙁
– taking 500g and having a hard genital for around an hour after eating can cause penile growth. This happens around day 10 after consumption. Growth is linear, meaning each cycle you can add the same amount of millimeters. Take flush causing B3 as well, to induce blood vessle growth at least every 4 cycles. (this is probably caused by an interaction with a second, unknown hormone also present in the young animal).Well, now I have to try this… for the sake of scientific curiosity, of course.
And finnaly, to improve the taste, make some german Mett. Slize the calf/lamp in tiny pieces, add pepper and salt and a onion. Imagesearch Mettigel for inspiration.That’s not too far off from what I was already considering doing, but I don’t really know much about German foods.
