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                        <title>RE: Im new</title>
                        <link>https://phantasia.life/community/main-forum/im-new/#post-353</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2026 19:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@shmoo yeah, ses like i got a flock of black sheeps...
&nbsp;
However there are always two ways to move a norn, second one is with fear, let them move away from the hand instead of towards...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shmoo yeah, ses like i got a flock of black sheeps...</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>However there are always two ways to move a norn, second one is with fear, let them move away from the hand instead of towards them. </p>
<p>...i know why i like grendels more (my old alias was MK-Grendel)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Im new</title>
                        <link>https://phantasia.life/community/main-forum/im-new/#post-350</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2026 03:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@genesis
I&#039;d actually argue that the black sheep Norn is absolutely the one that doesn&#039;t listen.
Every Norn has its own personality, learning patterns, drives, and genetic quirks. Most can...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@genesis
<p data-start="108" data-end="195">I'd actually argue that the black sheep Norn is absolutely the one that doesn't listen.</p>
<p data-start="200" data-end="437">Every Norn has its own personality, learning patterns, drives, and genetic quirks. Most can be trained to respond to the Hand to varying degrees, but every now and then you get one that simply refuses to follow the same path as the rest.</p>
<p data-start="442" data-end="479">That's what makes it the black sheep.</p>
<p data-start="484" data-end="725">A Norn that consistently obeys commands, seeks out the Hand, and responds to training is behaving within expected parameters. It may be more or less intelligent than others, but it's still fitting into the role the player is trying to teach.</p>
<p data-start="730" data-end="1038">The black sheep is the Norn that develops priorities that directly conflict with that training. It's the one that wanders off in the middle of lessons, ignores commands it clearly understands, gets distracted by other Norns, or decides that whatever it's doing is more important than listening to the player.</p>
<p data-start="1043" data-end="1344">In your example, the genetically obedient Norn started out following commands but quickly abandoned that behavior once exposed to another Norn and a different environment. To me, that's exactly black sheep behavior. It broke away from what it was bred and trained to do and chose its own path instead.</p>
<p data-start="1349" data-end="1580">Being a black sheep doesn't necessarily mean being broken, stupid, or suffering from a brain duplication defect. Those are technical problems. A black sheep is an outlier. It's the Norn that stands apart from the rest of the flock.</p>
<p data-start="1585" data-end="1769">If you have ten Norns that come running when called and one that looks at the Hand, ignores it, and goes to push the cheese vendor for the fiftieth time, you've found your black sheep.</p>
<p data-start="1585" data-end="1769">A black sheep Norn is the one that understands the rules and simply refuses to play by them.</p>
<p class="isSelectedEnd"><span>From your perspective, the entire appeal of Creatures is that Norns develop their own agendas and become increasingly independent. If that’s considered normal Norn behavior, then a Norn that remains unusually obedient despite all those influences could be seen as the real outlier. I can definitely see the logic there.</span></p>
<p class="isSelectedEnd"><span>I think we’re just defining “black sheep” differently. You’re looking at it from the perspective of what is unusual for Norns as a species, while I’m looking at it from the perspective of a group of Norns in a world. In a world full of reasonably trainable Norns, the one that refuses to listen is the black sheep. In a species famous for independence and unpredictability, the one that stays obedient could be considered the black sheep instead.</span></p>
<p><span>So I don’t think either interpretation is wrong—I just lean toward the stubborn troublemaker being the black sheep because that’s the individual that’s breaking away from the behavior expected by the group around it.</span></p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Im new</title>
                        <link>https://phantasia.life/community/main-forum/im-new/#post-349</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2026 16:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@shmoo happend all the time in creatures 3, dublication of the brain/whole genome. That short circut them and they are mentally retarded in the truest semse of the word.
&nbsp;
But the com...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shmoo happend all the time in creatures 3, dublication of the brain/whole genome. That short circut them and they are mentally retarded in the truest semse of the word.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p style="text-align: left">But the community made a few improved norn brain variants for all games</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>However some norns just use their brain better and that makes them smarter</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Oh and they constandly develop their own agenda and do whatever THEY want.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Recently i downloaded a norn genetically made more obidient and tought by someone else to follow comands.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Because i didn't pay attention to her for a few minutes and let her be with an other norn, she started ignoring the hand and i had to import a second copy of her... a black sheep of a norn would be one that actually does what you want! </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Im new</title>
                        <link>https://phantasia.life/community/main-forum/im-new/#post-348</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2026 15:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@genesis cause it seems as norns seem just intelligent enough to be pets has it ever been where a norn didnt stay in this same loop and developed its own &quot;agenda&quot; like a break away norn or r...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@genesis cause it seems as norns seem just intelligent enough to be pets has it ever been where a norn didnt stay in this same loop and developed its own "agenda" like a break away norn or rouge norn or some would call the black sheep of the family. have they ever gained enough intelligence to even have the thought of "breaking away" or i guess you could say "wanting out"?]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Im new</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2026 15:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@genesis let me ask you, has there ever been a case where the norns on their own developed more neural network than they was originally designed with/given? how limited is this as far what i...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[@genesis let me ask you, has there ever been a case where the norns on their own developed more neural network than they was originally designed with/given? how limited is this as far what im capable of making a norn do or not do if at all? has there ever been a norn that was actually more sophisticated in its neural network than what was intended for it or maybe allowed, hopefully you understand what im trying to ask.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Im new</title>
                        <link>https://phantasia.life/community/main-forum/im-new/#post-346</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2026 15:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@shmoo  there is an option in each game to make the hamd invissible. Enable the viewpoint of the modules and you can easily do that with a click. Saddly the steam version had that disabled a...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shmoo  there is an option in each game to make the hamd invissible. Enable the viewpoint of the modules and you can easily do that with a click. Saddly the steam version had that disabled as default.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And there is no wrong way of playing, so just do as you feel like. </p>
<p>There are also immortal and partially imortal creatures, if you fall in live with one. Or just inject the "life" chemical to prevent them from aging every few hours. Because if you find a norn special, 5-10h of life feel like nothing...</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Im new</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2026 14:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@genesis i can see that becoming the case. i feel that i would much more enjoy having less to give my focus too but i also don&#039;t want to force that option on them as far as keeping their pop...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@genesis i can see that becoming the case. i feel that i would much more enjoy having less to give my focus too but i also don't want to force that option on them as far as keeping their population in a controlled state ive been thinking about the things id like to do before i actually get back into the game. id much rather nudge them toward sustaining on their own. ive also been wondering if its possible to hide the hand from them from the start where they dont know the hand even exist.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Im new</title>
                        <link>https://phantasia.life/community/main-forum/im-new/#post-344</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2026 14:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@shmoo Leting the creatures run on their own is called a wolfing run. They are quiet popular.
In creatures 1 i recomend downloading an extra agent for food (i use a clover, it matches in st...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shmoo Leting the creatures run on their own is called a wolfing run. They are quiet popular.</p>
<p>In creatures 1 i recomend downloading an extra agent for food (i use a clover, it matches in style nearly all places)</p>
<p>In creatures 2 place barriers before the oceans, those are death traps and need constant monitoring! </p>
<p>In creatures 3, just start</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><strong>Also if you got 1-3 creatures you get invested into the single creatures. If you get the maximum amount, you don't see them as individuals and instead as a breeding population</strong></p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Im new</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2026 14:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[i recently purchased you series of the creatures game. ill say i find myself second guessing myself if what im doing the right way for these norns. apart of me also want to just give them fr...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i recently purchased you series of the creatures game. ill say i find myself second guessing myself if what im doing the right way for these norns. apart of me also want to just give them free reigns with zero assistance from myself with zero interference and see how they thrive. i havent even go to a hour mark because of how i feel about the choices i decided on. im also going into it so clueless i feel more useless for these creatures than i feel like i could benefit them so im on pause  right now.... thank you all for your responses, i must say i appreciate what youve done and accomplished. my mind still cant wrap around it. its very impressive</p>
<p>and im a huge fan of this. i cant wait to see your new game complete ill continue supporting it all to...i hope the best for you friend and it all pays off. you deserve the finish product you dream of.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>RE: Im new</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2026 11:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[oh and nearly forgot to write what i did back in creatures;
creatures 1 (when i was a small child, my dad used the magazine of the game to motivate me learn reading);
- play with cute litt...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and nearly forgot to write what i did back in creatures;</p>
<p>creatures 1 (when i was a small child, my dad used the magazine of the game to motivate me learn reading);</p>
<p>- play with cute little pets</p>
<p>- trap the grendel on the island</p>
<p>- try to keep them alive, play with them and fail to breed them</p>
<p>- constandly try to capture them, because they always ran away</p>
<p>- truly enjoying a CD i bought full with already tought norns! They where way better than the self hatched ones (i was still a stupid child)</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>creatures 2 (early puberty started)</p>
<p>- explored the world</p>
<p>- played with the creatures (mainly c1 norns from the CD transfered to C2)</p>
<p>- started to play woth grendels as well</p>
<p>- started a little garden, taking care of the plants</p>
<p>- using cages on my breeding norns, heavily restricting their movement "for their own good"</p>
<p>- having a lot of fun with gene splicing</p>
<p>- started modding the game, extra breeds, objects and similar</p>
<p>creatures 3 (when i was mentally developed enough to understand creatures)</p>
<p>- teaching the norns, as i should have from the start</p>
<p>- wandering with them across the world</p>
<p>- playing a lot with the world around the norns</p>
<p>- using the gene splicer a lot</p>
<p>- messing around with their genetics</p>
<p>- making my own breeds/agents/skins</p>
<p>- falling in love with grendels</p>
<p>- building a nuclear bomb</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The one thing that made me always fall in love with creatures, was the fact that they always suprised me. If i tought i understood them and know how they would react, they suprised me. Just like real animals. </p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>It is hard to explain, more something you habe to experience. </p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And even when i understood one, they learned as well. Suprising me later, because they just learned something unexpected. </p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Compare that to any NPC out of any game, where a braindead goldfish could exploid their "AI" with the same way over and over again....<br /><br />Oh and this video explains well what creaturs is and what phantasia will be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmgIUGU12Co</p>]]></content:encoded>
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